46 – James Fisher and Luke Carlson – The Keys to Running a Successful Business, Optimizing Your Workouts for Strength and Mass Gains, and the Busy Person’s Guide to Working Out

James Fisher, is a Master Personal Trainer, Sport Psychology Guru, and High Intensity Training Expert
James Fisher training with Luke Carlson

James Fisher is one of the world’s top experts in strength, conditioning, and sport psychology. Besides being an accomplished academic researcher, he has also been a fitness professional, strength and conditioning coach, and the GB wheelchair basketball coach at the London 2012 games.

He completed his BSc (Hons) Sport Science from University of Chester, his MSc Exercise Physiology from Manchester Metropolitan University, his PG Cert in Learning and Teaching in Higher Education from Southampton Solent University, and he holds a number of industry-based qualifications, notably the IFBB weight training prescription specialist, Head and Neck training specialist, and the Certificate in Applied Functional Sciences.

His research has been presented across 4 continents, and for the 5th straight year, he will be speaking at the Resistance Exercise Conference in Minnesota, USA in April of 2017.

Luke Carlson is the founder and CEO of Discover Strength, which is based in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Besides speaking around the world on the topics of evidence-based exercise and the fundamentals of building successful businesses, he has also co-authored two books and multiple scientific journal articles on the topics of resistance exercise.

Luke is an American College of Sports Medicine Certified Exercise Physiologist, a Cancer Exercise Specialist, and he has a BS and MS in Kinesiology from the University of Minnesota.  He has been a featured speaker at Filex Australia, TaiSPO in Taiwan, the Annual IHRSA Convention, the IHRSA European Congress, the Fitness Leaders Summit, Mindbody Bold, the Vistage Executive Summit, ChinaFit, and he is a faculty member for the IHRSA Institute for Health Club Executives.

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In this episode, we cover:

  • The fundamentals and principles of running a successful business (plus some very useful tips)
  • Optimizing for hypertrophy, the best time to train, and protein intake timing
  • The busy person’s guide to building muscle, gaining strength, and becoming healthier
  • How to tweak, refine, and make your home workouts more effective
  • Answers to your questions on training, health, nutrition, zero-carb diets, and more!

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Want to hear more from James and Luke? Check out my previous interviews with James here: part 1, and part 2; and check out my previous interviews with Luke here: part 1, and part 2.

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Show Notes

  • Luke Carlson and James Fisher talk about the upcoming 2017 Resistance Exercise Conference [2:44]
  • Luke talks about the most effective ways to market your business [13:13]
  • Luke talks about how to successfully grow and scale a business [20:48]
  • James reveals the latest on what he’s been working on and looking into [25:15]
  • Why do people get better results with supervised training (as opposed to not having a personal trainer)? [30:56]
  • Lawrence asks James about the potential flaws and weaknesses of meta-analyses [33:48]
  • Lawrence asks Luke about different rep durations and protocols [38:50]
  • Luke asks James to expand on the answer to Lawrence’s question [40:51]
  • Do James and Luke have any tips for making home workouts more effective? [46:04]
  • When during the day is the best time to train? [54:01]
  • What do James and Luke think about fasting, working out, protein intake timing, and how these relate to each other? [58:50]
  • What do James and Luke think about accentuated negative training? [1:02:31]
  • What do James and Luke think about the cumulative effect of minimal/no-rest in between exercises in a workout? [1:09:45]
  • James builds on Luke’s thoughts on rest intervals while training with a partner [1:15:26]
  • How does resting more or less in between exercises affect hypertrophy? [1:17:05]
  • Are multiple sets to failure superior to single sets to failure when it comes to hypertrophy? [1:18:10]
  • Is there any value in using drop sets or rest pauses? [1:23:19]
  • Has Luke’s thinking on the optimal frequency of exercise changed throughout the years? [1:27:08]
  • James talks about minimalist workouts and key exercises [1:31:08]
  • What’s the best way for a busy, middle-aged person to build muscle and improve his or her health? [1:32:47]
  • What does James’ current workout look like? [1:40:10]
  • What does Luke’s current workout look like? [1:45:12]
  • Luke Carlson has some flattering things to say about James Fisher [1:48:33]
  • Does James feel like he’s hit his genetic ceiling in terms of muscle mass and strength gains? [1:51:18]
  • Luke adds his take on the subject (and shares his favorite Luke-Carlson-and-James-Fisher anecdote) [1:57:33]
  • Lawrence asks James and Luke for their takes on the no-vegetable, zero-carb diet [2:05:11]
  • James questions Luke’s practice of using both metric and imperial measurements at once [2:13:33]
  • Luke’s book recommendations [2:15:07]
  • James’ book recommendation [2:16:40]

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Comments 11

  • A vey (again) good podcast. Working for Kieser-Training I can confirm that it is very important to stay focused on the very specific service…in our case strength training. Many times clients ask: why no cardio is offered. This comes because they know that other facilities offer classes or cardio next to HIT on Medx equipment. Well, they are just no specialist!!
    Besides this, these facilties offer this because the health insurances expect this to be offered if they are going to pay a part of the clients faclity fee. That way they attract a great deal of prospects. Anyway, we keep or backs straight……..not so difficult with the medx Lumbar extension!!!
    Keep the podcasts coming Lawrence.

    • Thanks Ad, I’m really glad you enjoyed the interview. Indeed, prospective clients often misunderstand that there is no such thing as “cardio” :-D: https://highintensitybusiness.com/podcast/james-steele-phd-no-such-thing-as-cardio/.

      I miss the MedX Lumbar machine at Kieser so much! That thing is built for perfection. I’ve since replaced it with Prone Trunk Extensions that are far more convenient I must say.


      • Lawrence,
        For me it’s actually the Medical LE of Medx. Now that’s another lague even compared to the exercise version. Once every 2 weeks in 70 sec. to failure. If not possible to usethe Medical I either use the exercis eversion or at my own private facility the nautilus 2st lowback with my own created hip lock version.
        BTW have you seen the Dorian Yates movie of London Real?
        Have a very good week-end

        • Oh really – interesting! Sounds like you’ve got some cool kit. I’m watching the movie right now! I didn’t think it was free. I’ve been thinking about asking Dorian to come on the show ????

          • Yep, enough equipment to put one efficiently through a workout and rotate the exercises regular(does variation matter??).
            What’s your thought about the movie. How do you see Dorian now? I like that he indeed doesn’t give a fuck about what others thinks…….and still for him this doesn’t mean just doing whatever pops up in his mind. This in contrast with many others………not giving a fuck about others, not about what they think.

            • Variation may matter depending on one’s objectives. In the context of hypertrophy perhaps variation matters in terms of increasing recovery (replacing big movements for smaller movements) and over-coming sticking points ala Body By Science.

              I admire Dorian’s non-chalant views and he seems to be in a much healthier place mentally. But, I have a slight issue with his strong attribution of discipline, work ethic, mental toughness, etc = champion body builder. Most of us here know there is a huge genetic component. I’m not saying that hard work etc doesn’t correlate along with it but I never hear him say anything related to how genetics select the competitors. According to John Little, when people approached Mike Mentzer and asked him how they could look like him, he would say, you need to have my parents…

              • I follow a 3 way split with 2 different cycles, mostly twice a week and if needed (or because of “life ‘) just once a week.
                Sure genetics are a big player at such level. Just look at his youth pictures after trainig a couple of months. Or how his son looks now. Still, whatever you inherit you have to make the best out of it. So he did.
                So we have to make the best of our lifes, using examples that inspire is great. But, mostly we don’t know the real deal of our examples. Published stories don’t tell much IMO.
                Time to get him on the show and ask……

              • Yeah that’s very true what you’re saying about genetics , something that people seem to overlook . But the thing that people also tend to overlook is the issue of performance enhancing drugs . While Mike Mentzer and Dorian Yates do have genetic proclivities with respect to muscle building it must be said that nobody achieves that type of muscularity without the PEDS !

  • Very interesting take on negative accentuated training in this podcast . Negative work is something that i’ve been incorporating myself for quite some time as well and it’s very brutal work but also very safe as well . It didn’t surprise me that there wasn’t any significant difference seen between say a 2,4 cadence and a 10 second negative only protocol because all training of this nature is really negative accentuated . The main benefit of this type of training is that it’s the hardest way to train but it’s also the safest way to train . It eliminates or at the very least minimises the stress on the joints and connective tissue while simultaneously taxing the muscles very hard so it’s a win win situation .

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